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Leading Through Loss - Michelle Frank - Ep. 86
What happens when God calls you into a completely new season of ministry after decades of faithful service? In this powerful episode, Micah sits down with Michelle Frank, co-founder of Safe Places for Women and author of "Leading After Loss," to explore the journey of navigating major life and ministry transitions.
In this episode, you'll discover:
- How to discern when God is calling you into a new season
- The vital importance of processing change and transition well
- Why walking through difficult seasons with Jesus is essential for healthy leadership
- Practical steps to find mentors and champions in your ministry journey
- How season changes can position you for greater kingdom impact
Whether you're walking through your own season of transition or simply want to build resilience for leadership changes ahead, Michelle's hard-won wisdom will encourage and equip you to lead with hope through any season.
Michelle Frank has been in anti-trafficking ministry for nearly 20 years. She co-founded Safe Places for Women, which grew to serve survivors across multiple states. Now in a new season of ministry, she coaches and consults with ministry leaders nationwide through InPower Partnerships. Her book "Leading After Loss: How to Navigate Grief and Brave New Beginnings" is available on Amazon.
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Well, welcome back to the Elijah Rising podcast. I am your host, micah Gamboa, and today we have an incredible guest. Her name is Michelle Frank. She has written a book called Leading After Loss and I highly recommend it. It's called Leading After Loss how to Navigate Grief and Brave New Beginnings. She'll be sharing a little bit about her ministry journey through crisis, through trials and tribulations, and on to victorious living, overcoming and really success on the other side, and I believe these principles can be applied to any of us who are walking through ministry, walking through hard times.
Micah:But that's not your whole story. You have an amazing coaching program which we'll get to story. You have an amazing coaching program which we'll get to. But just to intro you a little bit, you know, michelle and her husband, ked, have been doing ministry gosh almost 30 years now, and you, specifically, have been working in the anti-trafficking field for almost 20 years, or about 20 years now. You're a co-founder of Safe Places for Women, which is a housing, restorative care program for women who have survived sex trafficking, sexual abuse, exploitation, all of those things. So, without further ado, I give you Michelle. Michelle, why don't you share a little bit about yourself and your history?
Michelle:Yeah, sounds awesome. Well, micah, thank you. It's an honor to be a part of this today with you all and so excited to just share the goodness of God beside you guys. So thank you so much. Yeah, so Kat and I we met in Bible college and we knew that the Lord had kind of paved a path for us in full-time vocational ministry and we really thought it was going to be inside the walls of the local church. He'd be a pastor, I'd be a pastor's wife and it would be just a match made in heaven. And while it has been a match made in heaven, we celebrate 27 years of marriage this year, with three amazing kiddos and a beautiful new daughter-in-law love. So it has been a beautiful journey, but it hasn't always kind of panned out from a ministry perspective like we thought.
Michelle:And we went into full-time ministry as really young leaders, serving as a children's pastor for myself and a compassionate ministries care pastor for Ked, and we journeyed with the Lord and took a leap of faith about two years into marriage and moved to Kentucky, lexington, kentucky, to serve the Lord.
Michelle:I was on staff there at our church, he was at the seminary and really just started wrestling with what we know as this kingdom assignment or calling, and the Lord sent us to go serve at a men's restorative care housing nonetheless a 24-7 ministry center that served men that have been incarcerated and dealt with addiction and recovery.
Michelle:And, oddly enough, the Lord sent us there to serve and learn a model of ministry that we would be later called back to Kentucky to birth and build in faith.
Michelle:And so it's been this remove, relocate, replant kind of journey in those early years of our marriage and ministry side by side. And then, about 2006, 2007, the Lord radically, radically broke our hearts for women that have been trafficked and exploited and we thought, moving back to Kentucky, we would be opening a restorative care housing for men because that's where we trained under. But nonetheless the Lord said, yes, the model, but a different audience. And it became very apparent in 2006, 2007, that the Lord was leading us to open our very first home there in Lexington, kentucky, on our best friend's farm, to serve women that had been exploited and trafficked in what we knew then and what we know now as a restorative care housing experience. And so that's kind of where we got started in the fight and in the faith and in the work was in those early years the Lord really started to break our heart for the things that broke His.
Micah:That's beautiful. You said 2006, 2007. That is so early in the trafficking space, anti-trafficking space. It was obviously going on across the country, but many of us didn't have any clue, didn't have a name for it. Really, exactly how did you guys? You know, I know there's a whole journey with the Lord of how you established that first home, how it exploded and kind of went nationwide. You know how did you feel stepping into a field that was you were literally pioneering.
Micah:You did not have anyone to kind of look to, any guidance or manuals or anything out there at the time. How did that feel? And I imagine you were still fairly young, right?
Michelle:Whenever you're launching into this, yes, we were in our early thirties. We were just babies. Our kids were babies when we moved back from experiencing the men's mission. We moved back. Our daughter was three and our son was five and we both were on staff at our church and we knew that it was going to require a full-time focus to till the ground to pray into. Okay, lord, we've never done something like this, we've observed something like this, and all we had to go on was what we experienced at the men's home. Well, serving women and serving men are very different, and so we learned a lot. We fell on our face, but I tell you, we experienced a measure of faith that we had never experienced.
Michelle:I remember when the Lord really impressed through the night, this vision and mission on Ked's heart. He went to our very best friends and he said buddy, I know that you bought this plot of land, um, and I know you bought it for your family, to build your family a beautiful home. And he and they went to Cracker Barrel. The Lord woke them both up in the night at Cracker Barrel, went to Cracker Barrel. They would often go they're old souls, but they would often go there to have a cup of coffee. Well, the Lord woke both of them up in the night and and our, our best friends, tim and Dwayna they own this land. And and Ked said I got to ask you a really awkward question. And Tim's like, well, no, let me start the conversation. The Lord told me that that land is not my own, that that that that land is for ministry. And Ked said I'm so glad he told you because I was going to ask you for your land. And it was there that we started to see this apostolic calling emerging in Ked and this faith, radical faith anointing, emerging in Ked. And we just started.
Michelle:And so it was really wild that this old, dilapidated farmhouse that was like a hundred years old, we were praying over it like Lord, we have zero money to start a mission, a 24-7 restorative care housing mission. We have zero money. And someone asked OK, ked, what's your vision of how to open this home? Like this home is not well and we can't, you can't just put people in this home. And he said, okay, well, I'll get a little money. And I found $1,200 and I'm not afraid to use it. And his project manager said buddy, that'll buy a door. And that's where it all began.
Michelle:And so it was blind faith. It was going on the father's heart day after day bread come after bread comes seeking the Lord. And it was like these early, early days of faith. And then it just grew all over the country from that that initial faith moment. But we didn't know, we made so many mistakes, we had way too many women in a home at the same time in building the staff and building the program and building the model and, oh my word, it's had probably a hundred iterations since then. But it took one step of faith. It took the Lord entrusting this vision to a man of faith. It took the Lord entrusting this vision to a man, but this man of God calling an army an army to come beside to fortify this work and to see it come to fruition.
Michelle:You guys multiplied so many safe homes, how many did you have by? We had 11 homes across the country, with four construction projects on the way in about eight different cities across the country, and had a staff of about 120. Wow, and so the goal was 21 homes by 2025. But the Lord obviously had plans which we'll dive into. But yeah, there were 11 homes with four on the way. That's incredible In 2022.
Micah:Yeah, that's a huge stop. So you know, I know we're kind of skipping over so much of your story, you know, but I do want to make sure that we get to the takeaway right, like your, what you've gleaned over all of your years of experience, because you guys went from literally zero, zero staff, zero money to 120 staff. Like I know that there were so many lessons that you learned along the way, so many formative experiences that crafted and galvanized your leadership. So, throughout the years, one thing that I've really noticed about you is that you have like this bent or this drive, this like inherent I don't know desire to exhort leaders, to raise up and build staff, to strengthening, like to strengthen teams. So can you share a little bit about the work that you're doing right now? We'll get into the whole how the work transitioned, but what are you doing right now around that kind of? Your ministry has changed a little bit to where you're focusing on raising up leaders. Can you share a little bit about that?
Michelle:Yes, yes, yes, and we'll and we'll talk more. But you know, when you go through pain, grief, loss, crisis, tragedy, trauma, you find yourself in this, really this space of disorientation. And you get away with the father, you get away to heal, but you get away to hear. And I think that those are two incredibly vital postures of the heart getting a way to heal and getting a way to hear. And when I went away to heal and I went away to hear, what I heard the Lord speaking into my heart was what's in your hand, daughter? Look in your hand. I've put things in your hand and I said okay, okay, well, I don't have a lot, but what I have is I have a passion for leadership and a passion for exhortation. Can you do anything with those two things? We're just in such a place of disorientation, in a desert kind of scenario, and I look in my hands and I see the Lord say leadership in one, exhortation in the other. And I then saw this vision of you.
Michelle:Know, ket and I we're in a different season of ministry today and it's really like we're on the sidelines, like we're watching the players run the plays for the kingdom of God. It's like, oh man, come over here. Come over here, let me stand beside you. Okay, let's coach you up, let's encourage you, let's exhort you, and it's like whoa Lord, I'm seeing this whole new realm of opportunity. Yeah, because the work in the field, the work in the landscape is hard, it's heavy, it's deep, it's dark, just in the fight we're fighting, not to mention all the other onslaughts and sabotage that go on to prevent and derail us from the work at hand.
Michelle:And so my heart, now in my 50s and now it's's Lord, every day I see a leader, every day the Lord puts a leader on my radar, and the Lord has graced us and gifted us with so many relationships across the country that every day I'm texting, every day I'm praying, every day I'm interceding, because our heart is to see these leaders exhorted and equipped and empowered for the work of kingdom ministry. Because we know, if the leaders depleted and discouraged and despondent, the work can't go forward, because the work is propelled by the workers. And so it's like whoa Lord, we are called to the work, but also we're called to the workers, and there is a new realm of serving the workers. And that is my heart If every day I can exhort and encourage and edify at least 10 leaders. It's been a good day, because I know that that's how the kingdom of God gets advanced is through his faithful, faithful workers. So that's really what has really exponentially strengthened the assignment today.
Micah:It's amazing. I want to time out real quick and whoever's editing this, lorenz, I want to cut that last question and put it after probably the next one or two, because I don't think that we laid a good foundation of I think I I think we skipped, so, like people are going to go wait, wait, what's happening? I'm going to go back and I'm going to talk about your book, um, or kind of intro your book, and then you can explain okay, but that season ended and now we're doing this new thing, cause we need to lay that foundation. Okay, so I'm going to cut and then we'll flip back. Okay, that's okay, that was my fault. Michelle, you've written a book that is specifically dealing with how to lead after loss and after grief. So you know it's a lot about the redemption of your ministry story. You and Ked encountered an incredible betrayal, loss. You know devastation in your ministry life and even in your personal life. Can you share briefly about where this book came from and what is the purpose of the message that you're sending through this book?
Michelle:Absolutely. You know, like I said, um Kat and I have been in the in the landscape, um for about the last 20 years, from the grassroots incubation kingdom. Yes to an assignment we did not see with our natural sight, taking leaps of faith to till the ground to build our first home with an army of teammates and then fast forward to see that growth and exponential growth all across the country into 2022, with the homes and the staff and just multiplication and scaling the, the model all across the country with the full continuum emergency, long-term transitional living, even dipping our toe into social enterprise. So it was like the Lord was really breathing on this work. And then 2022 came. In 2022.
Michelle:We were hit with the most intensified tragedy and ministry trauma we had ever experienced, with great loss, through a lot of hardship and trial.
Michelle:Through a lot of hardship and trial, we lost our organization at the hands of some difficulty and it was a very grievous time for us. In 2022, we were hit at an all-time low. At an all-time low and it came with much, much, much counsel from very wise and gifted leaders in the landscape doing all we could do to preserve and protect the fortified work that the Lord was doing and the vision that it was the Lord's really trying to steward what he entrusted us. It became apparent that we were going to have to salvage the organization and to spare the organization. Ked ended up resigning from the very thing he birthed and it was a very painful experience and I tried to stay on for a couple months, but what was happening in the organization was just so oppressive that the Lord was calling me to go and follow Him and we really were left. I remember it was the week of Thanksgiving when we had to give our answer to his board. It was a very painful time and I will never forget that night him writing his resignation letter.
Michelle:We cried and cried with our children. After 20 years, my God, after 20 years, my God. And so really, after that time, we were very, very. We were in a very low place in our hearts and the Lord led us to follow him into a new work and into a new city, into a new land. And here we go again, just really trusting the Lord. So we pack up our little white RAV4 with our sweet little Kentucky license plate and we load up our baby and we literally leave behind 23 years of life, our big kids, 23 years of life, our big kids, our ministry, our work, our known, our familiar everything to load up our car and drive 18 hours across the country in faith and to heal.
Michelle:And I remember the Lord spoke very clearly to me. I journaled everything that was happening in that 2022 year. I journaled everything that was my healing oasis, my place of sanity, was my journaling, through the night and in the wee hours of the morning. And the Lord spoke so strongly into my heart honey, you're going to want to take those journals. And I said, lord, I want to be done with this season, I don't want to be reminded of any of this trauma. And the Lord said no, you're going to want to take those journals. And so I did.
Michelle:And it wasn't long when we arrived into Colorado, denver, colorado, where the Lord spoke so sweetly to me um, in January of 2023, um, it's time to write that book, to write that book. And I said, oh Lord, I don't know. And so I I really just sat with him and started to kind of put pen to paper, and the role that I had when I moved out here was serving leaders all across the country, helping them in their restorative care housing, and I'm sitting on call after call, zoom, call after Zoom call, face to face after face to face, and realizing, you know what? Our story's not unique. Our story's not unique at all. Every leader in this landscape has been through pain, grief, loss, suffering, betrayal, hardship, oppression. Every leader, we're not alone, and so the Lord spoke very clearly to my heart.
Michelle:I've positioned you to encourage and exhort hurting leaders, and this book is not about the pain.
Michelle:This book is about the goodness of God, that we would not lower His nature to the level of our experience, but that we would raise our experience to the level of his nature, and this is a tool and a resource and a message of hope and redemption, to not give up, to see the father's heart, to go the healing journey with Jesus, on your own, with him, and let him revitalize that dream, that dream.
Michelle:And so really it's become a ministry platform and a tool of redemptive story to encourage and exhort leaders that have been through the same thing. So it really it came out of loss, but it was a leveraged tool that the Lord is using now as a space of relatability to other leaders, and it does create an opportunity for just kingdom, empathy and compassion, to not just say I understand, but I want to sit on the curb of life with you and cry or speak into this, or however I can carry the Father's heart to you, with you, for you. So he used the writing of that book to do a lot more healing in my heart, in our heart, in our family, but, moreover, as an anthem of the goodness and faithfulness of God even in the bleak, even in the dark, even in the night, he's good.
Micah:Yeah, that's really powerful and we can. I think our listeners and I can see it in just the message that you're sharing is like you've actually gone the you've gone through the valley. Like you've you've paid the price to to face the pain you know, gone through it and come out on the other side. So you know how would you the other side, so you know how would you like when you encounter these leaders and, to your point, so many people. This is not a unique story. Everyone has been church hurt in some way. And if you live in the world, you're going to face betrayal. You're going to face pain, grief, loss. So what would be your kind of exhortation or encouragement? Maybe there's somebody out there who's listening, who literally is in that place of pain right now. No matter what it is right that they're facing, how do you encourage them to like get back up again, like journey, this journey with the Lord in your grief? What would you say to them?
Michelle:Yes, I would say a few things. Number one, I would say go on the pilgrimage through the pain with Jesus. Go on it. Go on the pilgrimage through pain with Jesus. Enter the gateway of grief, because if you don't, you will find yourself. You may start to minister out of your woundedness and that won't be effective and it won't honor God. So do the hard, hard work between you and Jesus. Go there first, because at the end of the day, you want to minister from a place of wholeness and you want to minister from a place of victory and seeing these experiences through his eyes. And so that's one thing I would say is go on the pilgrimage.
Michelle:Number two, I would say find four really good friends, like the ones that lowered the paralytic man to Jesus. Find four really good friends to carry you and lean on their faith when you don't have it, because I did, I did, and these leaders much like you guys. You don't realize how much you need other leaders in the faith and in the fight until you walk through something and they literally carry you. You cannot walk, but those fine four friends, safe, trusted friends, that can lower you to Jesus when you can't lower yourself to Jesus and then begin to let him fortify your heart. When we go through things like this, our heart gets fractured, and so let him fortify your heart. Fortify your heart and be reminded that you're not done. He's doing a greater work in your heart and you will walk in more power, more authority, more anointing, more joy, more peace, more faith.
Michelle:I would say, today my prayer life is stronger than it was pre tragedy. My, my exhortation of the word speaking into circumstances has has strengthened it's, it's this journey with Jesus that I would say and I would. I would say go on the pilgrimage. I would say find safe, trusted friends that will walk with you. Get the father's heart, remember you're not done. Soak in and dream. You will dream again. You will dream again and you will be used in more and more and more ways to further and advance his kingdom, and you'll just have a different posture by which you're able to serve and lead others.
Micah:You're already exhorting, like all of our listeners are already encouraging them Like and you know, michelle, the little bit of time that we've known each other like, I have seen this gifting in you to really look at people and see them, um, not for what's going on in their circumstances, but you really see what God is seeing over them, you see their potential and you have, like, this gift of exhortation, of, of encouragement. You know, in Acts it talks about Barnabas being like a son of encouragement, um, and I see that over you, and so this is similar to what you are doing now, even though you've gone through this really difficult, challenging experience. The work that you're involved in now is so designed, I feel like it's so uniquely designed for who you are. But can you share a little bit about the role that you're finding yourself in now? You know, after the journey, after the overcoming, like after the grief, how are you using what you've gone through to further the kingdom in this space?
Michelle:Yes, yes. So now, where the Lord has me is really I coach and consult, exhort and encourage leaders in organizations strategically shepherding, and it's really been a powerful thing being able to sit beside a leader today ministry leaders, church leaders, anti-trafficking, nonprofit leaders, crisis maternity housing leaders to be able to sit with leaders in any genre of their particular kingdom lane and be able to sit and empathize. I think that's probably the biggest piece. And then to extend wisdom and then to, almost like with Jesus, give them a little shove forward in their anointing and to say no, come on, come on, come on. And it was so interesting. But it also I was just sitting with a leader yesterday who's walking through something very, very similar, and it was so powerful because one of the things that I would encourage leaders in and what I've seen is a lot of leaders will kind of quiet their grief because people run away.
Michelle:They don't know how to handle somebody's grief. And it was so powerful. I felt so honored to sit beside this leader yesterday, virtually, and let this leader process, and I said to this leader your pain will not make me run away. I love being able to say that because in this season of serving leaders whether it's staff retreats, strategic development days, executive coaching, helping with their staffing models, encouraging them in their calling ideation, anything Like. I feel like it's so funny because in all my years of ministry some people have one role and they do it for a hundred years where I feel like I've had so many different roles, but the one constant common denominator is exhortation and leadership.
Michelle:And while the audience or the age, I was on a phone call yesterday as well with five young ministry leaders, so it's like I'm finding I guess I'm more of like I'm not really a specialist, I'm more of like a utility player and it's like, okay, lord, bring a leader, bring a need, and let's go to the throne room and let's see them exhorted and catapulted to advance your kingdom. That's it. And so really that's what I get to do all day, every day now, through empower partnerships, coaching, consulting, exhorting leadership, strategic development for organizations all across the country, and it is an honor. It's an honor because healthy people create healthy staffs and healthy staffs create healthy organizations. And we know values shape DNA, dna shapes culture, culture shapes organizations. So to me, we have no organizations if we don't have mighty warriors, an army of leaders carrying out the heart of God, we don't have them if there aren't healthy leaders. And so my heart and my mind and in my heart it's let's raise up healthy leaders so that our organizations experience radical, radical advancement.
Michelle:And it's so funny. I was praying about this morning and I said, lord, I'm at such a place in my journey today that if my role across the country and all these anti-trafficking, restorative care, housing movements is go in and just make lunch for every home across the country, go into their home today and make lunch for the residents and sit and pray with a leader, I'm like Lord, are you kidding me? That would be amazing. And that's really. My heart is to see leaders thrive in their kingdom, colleagues, and it pains me when they're not thriving, like let's dig, let's investigate, let's sit with the Lord, but when you thrive you're unstoppable. And that I want to take ground and abolish the work of the enemy, that is my heart's cry in this hour. And so it begins and ends with his workers, with his servants, with his called army. So fortifying the army, that's my passion.
Micah:I love that You're so good at that too. I mean, I just see it all over you. Obviously, I've been able, privileged to see you do that in a professional capacity. You know through Elijah Rising, and it's been amazing to watch, even the um, the growth of that right, the growth trajectory for your. You have a consulting business now, which is incredible.
Micah:I'd love for you to share about that in a minute but you know, um, practically speaking, we see so many times that leaders are isolated. Um, they feel and I, you know I'm speaking really in the NGO kind of nonprofit world, but I see this in pastors too. My pastor friends are, like man, I just feel so alone. I feel like, as a leader, I'm doing this alone. I really don't have those four friends or like that committed group of people who are running after the Lord, similarly maybe, or just sharing in the same burdens that ministry brings. So, practically speaking, how would you counsel these leaders to find somebody to, I would like to say, mentor them, or just be that kind of person, to be that coach, be that champion, like I'm cheerleading you in the work that you're doing. How do we do that?
Michelle:Yes, yes, yes. That is a great question. The number one thing I would say is believe you are worth the investment. Believe you are worth that kind of investment. I think it is the hardest position being a coach for any leader, all leaders that we are speaking and encouraging today. When you're a coach to coaches, a leader to leaders, a shepherd to shepherds, when you're in that seat it is very hard one to believe you're worth that investment. But two, take the time and really realize Paul, timothy and Barnabas. When you look at those relationships, when I look back, I'm like I didn't really have a lot of Pauls because I was too busy, worried about the Timothys and I was at best average with Barnabases. But I fueled and filled my life with all the Timothys. And then I realized, when you start to grow and go through things, you're like, okay, I do need friends Community is critical and I do need people speaking into my life. And so, number one, believe you're worth the investment. Ask the Lord to give you that conviction.
Michelle:I would say three things take initiative, observe the profile by which you want to be poured into, write down. If I was to pray and ask the Lord to give me somebody, embrace me with somebody today that would be not in a mentor kind of way, but like a champion of me. That's another level and I love what you said earlier, micah, about that. It's like, lord, I want somebody, and that sounds selfish and all that. We're like, oh, I can't be. Yes, in this instance, yes, be selfish. I need a champion. I need somebody in my corner that's in the boxing ring with me, that is in the corner, because when I get pelted, I don't want to lay there bleeding alone. Who's in my corner, ask who's in your corner, who's in your corner? And if you don't see somebody, I would, I would write down a profile of what would I need as a champion. I'm seeking, knocking, asking, observing. I want a champion to walk with me, somebody that believes in me, and it's, and it's a and it's a more zealous kind of investment Champion is one that's going to fight with you. That is what you need, we need, and so I would say write the profile down.
Michelle:What are you looking for in a champion? Keep your eyes wide open, seek the heart of the Father, pray, observe, take the initiative and go to them and ask them. I want you to invest in me. That's what I did. I said this is who I need in my life. And the Lord graced me with a 65 year old woman that walks with me.
Michelle:And I'm telling you what there are people in their sixties, seventies, eighties that are praying that you come and ask them. And it's interesting because in our age right now, we're kind of in that we're kind of in the halftime middle. We're not 80 yet, but we're not 30 or 40 anymore and you're kind of on the cusp of you're not, you're not the quarterback anymore, you're you're the coach, you're on the sidelines, you're coaching the quarterbacks, but you're also not in a different season yet. And so my empathy for those leaders that are 80, they want to invest in you and they want purpose, they want legacy too, they want to know that they're still having kingdom ripple impact. So I would say ask the Lord, believe you're worth it, take initiative, write down the profile, observe who those people are and ask and this is radical, but call me, I'll help you find somebody. I believe in you. I will take a text message and I'll help you find somebody. That's how much I care.
Micah:She's not lying. That's, that's, that's real. I know you can take that to the bank, michelle. There's so much gold and so much you know that we could dive into about how you would coach somebody, how you would walk them through scenarios, even even down to the nitty gritty of leadership, right. But we don't have time for all of that. So where can our listeners find you? Do you have a website? Where's your coaching program housed All of that good stuff? And, even more importantly, where can they find your book?
Michelle:Yes, yes. So yes, my book you can go on Amazon and it's just Leading After Loss, Navigating Grief and and braving new beginnings by Michelle Frank. You can hit that on Amazon. And then, as far as the Empower Partnerships, it's brand new, so a lot is emerging and developing. I just launched it on January 2nd of this year, so I actually have a meeting today to build the website. So that's so funny. So, but where you can find me is either Michelle Frank 717 at gmailcom. You can find me on LinkedIn, michelle Frank, or you can email me at empower partnerships I n p o w e r partnerships at gmailcom. So stay connected with me, email me, and I can also put you on my monthly newsletter list. I can send you a monthly newsletter as a leadership nugget podcast, those kinds of things. So those are just in the infancy stages of this new ministry venture. That's how you can get connected with me today. So, yeah, thanks, micah.
Micah:We've been so blessed to have you. Michelle is a repository of wisdom and she walks in like a godly. If you get connected with her, she will intercede for you, she will go to bat for you. So I highly recommend her services to you guys and just as an amazing person. We also do some work together along with some others across the country, to host an abolition summit which is coming up this year that you guys are hosting in Denver, so that's going to be August and mid-August this year, 2025. If you are listening to this and this is still in the future I highly recommend that you join us. It's for anyone who is interested in anything anti-trafficking, making sure that Jesus is preeminent in this work that we're doing. So, Michelle, what a pleasure. Thank you for joining us today. It has just been such a gift to have you on.